15 August

This debate will get somewhere when people stop thinking it's actually about the science. It's not, doesn't matter how many graphs and numbers people trot out, you won't change peoples' minds. What needs to be understood is why those who deny climate change have targeted this specific issue - why they don't target scientific consensus around fluoride in toothpaste, or cholesterol drugs, or quantum theory, or whatever (science is full of debates). Why do they target climate change? Understand that and the debate will move forward. (My two cents - they target climate change because firstly enormous commercial interests in fossil fuels pay them to do it. Secondly because they see climate change as synonymous with 'the Left', which is an empty, meaningless term for everybody they see as challenging ultraconservative views.)